This is a discussion at DELFI service center Liberal Movement, represented by Eugenijus Gentvilas, Mayor of Klaipėda Vytautas Grubliauskas and Deputy Mayor of Varėnas Algis Kaşėta.
– Grubliauskas, why did you leave the party?
V. Grubliauskas: the decision to go to committee or without party support is unlikely to be spontaneous or born here and now. It really is not a kind of cheating revenge or a disappointed gesture or company to stay in the mail – not really. But when I evaluated all the circumstances and without really rushing when I had analyzed the situation and when I was really happy with the serious support of Klaipeda's respectful people, I decided that it still feels and I think the city's residents have to decide who leads the city and not 30 or 40 members.
– What is the analysis of the situation? Expand your mind.
V. Grubliauskas: Firstly, I have had many contacts with many people, urban representatives and politicians. I asked them how they appreciate such a decision – the mayor of Cape Town raised Simon Gentville, which turned out to be as unexpected as Eugene Gentville. This is probably one thing. Secondly, I had the opportunity to secure this place without hesitation without leaving the position of the party chairman, but I voluntarily announced it in January so that it would be difficult to combine these two tasks. The other thing is that in May, when it was supposed to be a General Assembly that accepts the nominee as a Liberal Movement as mayor, I asked for it to be delayed in the fall.
– Mr Kashti, what are your arguments?
A. Kashta: I want to use the tool that the legislators, perhaps by invoking the Constitutional Court, have created for the public, ie the greater part of the public. In this case, community members of the community in self-government policy. It must be realistic – it is not simple to simply release Kosta but also to participate in municipal policy in general, to call for more active participation, to attract people who are well-known in the lists of people on the list.
– And the situation in the Liberal Group is even clearer, depending on the case,
A.Kašėta: some nuances are also there, but I would not say that it is fundamental and the only thing. There are also three and a half years of work experience: I know the people in the area well and I know whom I would like to work together, I know what the problem is that you should go to the party list.
– Growth, but the point is that the possibility of committees has been created for people who are not members of the party. Creating civil society's participation in political life.
A. Kashta: is it written in a law?
– Of course not. I am talking about this idea, some kind of valuable spine.
A. Kashta: we talk about how it is in practice. How many Lithuanian committees today could be called non-politicians. People are following the leaders or not? Some authorities need and unfortunately politicians are here most active. If politicians come from such impartial members who may not have political party experiences, this is their right to choose. After all, voters appreciate everything.
– Gentvil, how do you rate yourself? Of course, there are not so few lately, but did you in any case have wanted these politicians to stay in liberal movements?
E. Gentville: Yes, I wanted and looked at it as a loss. For both me and the political party, this is a loss. However, we had to solve this problem: either we go to the elections as you wish, and today, as a party secretary, I explained that, for example, twenty party divisions went to committees – the liberals collapsed. That would have been said. We have chosen to choose another option – we list the party's candidates. Four parts of the party have now turned to committees. An option was created in Vilnius, for example, chapter 3.5. Today we can not talk about the collapse of the party. It is imperative to choose: either the party leaves, opens up as a one-off experiment whose motives are understandable to me or to a protected item. In the long run, as a party secretary, I understand that this is a pity. I do not think that we will suddenly be reunited with the municipal elections before the European elections in a few months and we will again work hand in hand. I believe that colleagues will again be elected members of the committee again in committee. First of all, I'm talking about midsummer, Vytauti's situation is a bit different. I would like to say that with my two friends, my point of view is not that bad. They did not break the stake, did not break the rules of the party – this is different from the situation in Vilnius.
– Mrs Grubliauskas, how do you think the party should behave in such a situation?
V. Grubliauskas: I say one word more liberally. However, I would like to be more flexible in the situation. That is what I said at the Board meeting, after which one or two Simon's goals appeared in Klaipeda. I think there would be more freedom to choose the units themselves. It would certainly be more valuable than the current sensible and sustainable government decision. How would I have done that? Maybe I would have done the same thing in this chapter. But, as Eugene mentioned, I really did not want and want to break the party. In fact, I read all the possibilities I could have in one way or another before Eugene. As I remember today, Eugene said that if I go, I will not go out, I have to leave the party, it's easier for Eugene because it is my problem. Okay, let it be This is my choice and that's my problem. But I can say that there will be real people who follow me from the party department. Not because I try to break up and encourage them to come, they will make such a decision themselves.
– Mr Gentvilai, what do you think is of greater value to hold a party with present, perhaps future mayors of Vilnius and Klaipeda, or is it still a short-term party politics?
E. Gentville: you and yourself know intentional attacks on the liberal movement. Paula Marcinkevičiūtė creates Lithuanian liberals. For three days, the news of the liberals breaks down, the new organization comes up – there is no such organization. Artūras Zuokas starts playing Plungėn, Elektrenai, Trakai with him – nothing like that, even Zuok does not even quote lists. But a week ago the Liberals are coming. In this situation, we decide that men and women go to the polls where they are, after which we are in contact, may not have to return after these elections. There is certainly no shortage of forces who want the Liberal Movement to remain. We have to resist them. If we let go inside, we would certainly have said that the party is gone. From this point of view, as Vytautas says, it was necessary to make a wrong, perhaps very rigorous decision, perhaps not a liberal one, but I believe that the party is always united to thoughts and rules. The Ethics Committee of the Party has acknowledged that the government has made legitimate decisions.
A. Kashta: In my opinion, Eugene took a too dramatic picture if the liberal approach was adopted. I think he needed it. As far as I know, only a few sections that had the temptation to go to the committees – that's all. Now we have a situation where we can only have losses in Vilnius, we can have serious problems in Klaipėda. It worries me. In my view, the party has not been able to find suitable forms of reform so that they can gain greater confidence in the society. We now reduce the chances of finding these forms later – after the municipal elections. I am talking in particular about Vilnius and Klaipeda, where there were really important leaders in the party. In my opinion, after the elections, it is only more difficult.
E. Gentville: Personally, I distinguish between these two colleagues and Remigio Šimašius. Remigio I think I can make great plans, perhaps creating a new party for the sacrifice of this party – a success for him. Vytautas Algis was not really part of this scripting program. They have deductions, but this is certainly not part of the party-specific scenario of the general parties. I would like to see that no one's citizen and you go to one of these cases.
– If you started talking about the anti-liberal movement scenario. Probably everyone agrees that Ausrine Armonaitė is or should have said a new liberal star. She left the party. Is not this withdrawal a threat to the fact that a new group is being created in Sejm?
E. Gentville: if Ausrina came from our group that has problems in each group, then you have no idea and cheating that it will be Mateley, Jyugel, or else it will create another group. The departure of Ausrine relates to a close relationship with Remigio Šimačius. Close the political biography, etc.
– Do you also think that Ausrine's withdrawal relates only to Remigio Šimačius?
V. Grubliauskas: I believe that the position of the party chairman in relation to risks and threats is undervalued. Although the situation in Klaipeda is mentioned in a different way, I've heard many times complaints committee at the beginning of the year. In fact, many respectable people said to me, "We can go together, but not with this party, against this scandalous background." The idea that liberals meet again in the party after the election may have come here. I could say, maybe so, anywhere?
A. Kashta: In fact, without Plan B's movement, the chances are very rosy. I have to say that one of the reasons why the idea of forming a committee was born is that it is in Part B that has been discussed and proposed to the party leaders. However, he was not treated seriously. The essence of the plan is very simple: open the door more openly to thinkers and be an option. Maybe it will happen after the municipal elections.
– Mr Gentvil, Do you see the real possibility that soon after the municipal elections, a new liberal party will be set up to take part in the European elections?
E. Gentville: I see the opportunity. If even my colleagues say they had a plan B, then I also have such a plan. More specifically, not Plan B, but Step No. 1, no. 2, no. 3 etc. Such a scenario is a reform of the liberal movement. Are not the European Parliament elections hardly anymore?
– What do you mean by reform?
E. Gentville: I do not want to say. The party was inevitably necessary and needs to be reformed. This is done. We will inform the public at a fairly fast rate. The other thing is a different party? Maybe a new liberal party is emerging, I can not say it here. In my plan, the current liberal movement could, after the reform, combine and cooperate with others, say the liberal party that was born.
V. Grubliauskas: Eugene repeatedly repeated the "reform". It really sounds insightful, but I think we could and probably have to talk about it in the past. Why before? Because I think that when we look forward to renewal, we can find ourselves by re-examining where we were once.
E. Gentville: Firstly, I would like to say that today we have reported to the bank. Finally, honestly. This party failed, did not become a banker. At least from this point of view, we are free. We are now registering for the elections and we will continue all possible reforms.
A. Kashta: I believe that liberal daemology has a future in Lithuania and that we will work together in the future.
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